Ben Carson, the Media, and the Mocking of Adventism

Ben Carson, the Media, and the Mocking of Adventism

by Jeffrey Rosario  |  December 16, 2015

Clearly, these are very interesting times for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. At a rally in Florida, Donald Trump assured his audience of his mainstream religious affiliations with the Presbyterian denomination. Alluding to Ben Carson, he added, “I mean, Seventh-day Adventist, I don’t know about.” Well, neither does much of the rest of the world. But that is now changing under unexpected circumstances. All the media attention surrounding Ben Carson has catapulted his beliefs, along with his church, to public scrutiny.

Though I am not a Ben Carson supporter (or any other candidate), the fact is that one man suddenly became the most prominent public representative of a movement I deeply identify with. That’s enough to make me uncomfortable. The unfortunate reality is that whatever Carson says and the positions he takes will be associated with Adventists at large. Frankly, that freaks me out. A few weeks ago when the Carson frenzy was really buzzing, my Twitter feed was bombarded with links to articles from The Wall Street Journal, CNN, Associated Press, and others, about Ben Carson’s Adventist beliefs.

Liberty is a Big Hook

One article in particular, published on October 31 by The Daily Beast, caught my attention. The title itself is calculated to raise eyebrows: “Ben Carson’s Church Believes the U.S. Government Will Team Up With the Antichrist.” Wasting no time, the author quickly gets to this statement:

“According to mainstream Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, the second coming of Christ will occur after the U.S. government teams up with the Catholic Church—which Adventists believe is the “Babylon” of the Book of Revelation, with the pope being the Antichrist—to compel Adventists and others to worship on Sunday, rather than Saturday.

“That may seem like a small hook on which to hang the fate of the world, but for Adventists, it is a core belief, taught at ‘prophecy seminars’ and elaborated in excruciating geopolitical detail by key Adventist leaders.”1

For obvious reasons, being confronted with these ideas from a popular news network would be shocking to most readers. As expected, the media does not always provide important context to serious claims. The article suggests that Adventist eschatology “is a small hook on which to hang the fate of the world.” But is it really a “small hook”? Well, if the issue really centers on a battle over two days—Sunday or Saturday—then it may very well be a small hook. That would suggest that Adventist apocalyptic beliefs are quite trivial.

But what if the central issue is actually much deeper?

The truth is that Sunday and Saturday are symbols of a much greater issue—liberty of conscience. Failing to distinguish the symbol from the issue it represents is tantamount to trivializing much of history. Speaking of symbols representing greater issues, one well-known example is the act of defiance that took place on December 16, 1773, when a group of Americans at Boston’s harbor challenged the British Empire and pushed the colonies one step closer to all-out war. And what was their issue?

Tea.

They were furious about tea taxed by the British.

But was tea worth the risk of a small group of colonies lunging into a perilous war with one of the world’s greatest empires? Wasn’t that simply a good time to start getting used to hot chocolate instead? Sounds like a “small hook” to hang the fate of their world on. Yet most Americans view the revolt over tea during the “Boston Tea Party” as symbolic of the greater issue of freedom.

The truth is that Sunday and Saturday are symbols of a much greater issue—liberty of conscience.

The symbol is only as important as the idea it represents.

The Daily Beast article trivializes Adventism’s apocalyptic emphasis on the importance of religious liberty and its critical posture toward the power invested in the U.S. government. Is this posture somehow anti-American? Is it not, in fact, consistent with the essence of America’s bedrock principles? After investing the government with power through the Constitution, the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights declares the ideals of religious liberty as central to the American identity: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .”2 It was George Mason who, at the convention of May 1787, famously opposed the proposed Constitution due to its initial lack of a bill of rights. The American experiment could not begin without a declaration of rights for the people to protect them “against the danger of maladministration” by the government.

It was Mason’s earlier ideas that all citizens “should enjoy the fullest toleration in the exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience,” that eventually influenced James Madison’s draft of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution.3 The founders of the United States of America were leery of the government’s power in light of potential infringements on the rights of the people, including religious liberty rights.

Does maintaining close scrutiny on the government regarding this matter amount to being sensational or anti-American? Not according to the founding fathers.

In fact, historians continue to emphasize the tensions between church and state in American history. In his award-winning book, Sword of the Spirit, Shield of Faith: Religion in American War and Diplomacy, Cambridge historian Andrew Preston compellingly argues that throughout American history foreign policy has been consistently driven by a Christian, particularly Protestant, impulse to cast the government as “executing God’s plan” and “fulfilling his providence.”4 It goes without saying that when the government sees itself as the arm by which God executes His plan for individual lives, the lines are blurred between civil and religious legislation.

But this could never happen in America, could it? The United States would never even come close to legislating religion, would it?

Enter the winter of 1888.

Adventists at the Fiftieth U.S. Congress

On December 13, 1888, the Fiftieth Congress of the United States convened in Capitol Hill. During the second session, a bill was presented by Senator Henry W. Blair, Republican from New Hampshire, proposing to “secure to the people the enjoyment of the first day of the week, commonly known as the Lord’s day, as a day of rest, and to promote its observance as a day of religious worship.”5

This is not fiction; this actually happened. Sunday laws were on the legislative books in various states and in the 1880s their state-level legislation was sobering to religious minorities. In one example, Seventh-day Adventists were imprisoned in Arkansas after being reported on by neighbors for the crime of working on Sunday. In 1888, government legislation attempted to breach the separation of church and state on a national level. A bill was on the table to potentially legislate religious observance in the form of a government-regulated day of worship.

Widespread support was garnered, not only from mainline Protestant churches, but from Cardinal James Gibbons of Baltimore, who was “the nation’s leading Roman Catholic prelate” and advisor to many presidents.6 Despite this Protestant-Catholic alliance, Adventists, along with a few other groups, opposed the bill. It was the young and passionate Alonzo T. Jones who represented the Seventh-day Adventists before Congress. Basing his cogent arguments on the principle of separation of church and state, Jones insisted that to legislate religious observance was not only un-American, but also contrary to the fundamentals of Christianity.7

If freedom and liberty are themselves small hooks, then those small hooks are good enough to hang the world on.

At one point, Senator Blair even asked Jones if he would support the bill if the day of worship was legislated to be Saturday, instead of Sunday. Jones rejected this idea because, regardless of any benefit to his own church, that would be a violation of liberty of conscience, which is what makes America, America. In this, the Adventists were actually expressing genuine patriotism because they were exalting the principles on which the nation was founded—even if the nation herself was venturing in violation of those very principles.

Though the American public does not yet know much about Seventh-day Adventism, the movement has been a stalwart advocate for the protection of religious liberty since its early years and has therefore played an important role in American history. As Yale historian Sydney E. Ahlmstrom put it in his award-winning A Religious History of the American People, the Adventist church must be included as one of the “memorable American contributions to world religion.”8

Reducing Adventist eschatology to the trivial level of a “small hook” is only possible by completely bypassing the very essence of the Adventist message. If freedom and liberty are themselves small hooks, then those small hooks are good enough to hang the world on.

A Wake Up Call

As I continue to process the unexpected media attention that the Adventist Church has received, I’m struck with the reality that many Adventists actually do have a narrow concept of the church’s end-time teachings, overemphasizing different parts of the message while missing the big picture. I wish I could say that some of those unflattering articles in the popular media are not representative of how Adventists actually think. But for too many Adventists, it is representative.

Today, Adventists have been presented with a unique opportunity to articulate more clearly the salient features of the everlasting gospel. Perceptions, like it or not, often reflect realities. This is a wakeup call for the Adventist Church to consider what it is actually saying to the world. For what the church thinks it’s saying is not always what the world is hearing.

And there are some pretty awesome things to be saying.

  1. Jay Michaelson, “Ben Carson’s Church Believes the U.S. Government Will Team Up With the Antichrist,” The Daily Beast, October 31, 2015, accessed December 15, 2015.
  2. Bill of Rights,” The United States Archives and Records Administration.
  3. George Mason, “Declaration of Rights,” 1776, Accession 21512, Personal Papers Collection, Library of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia.
  4. Andrew Preston, Sword of the Spirit, Shield of Faith: Religion in American War and Diplomacy (Anchor Books, 2012), 13
  5. “The Miscellaneous Documents of the Senate of the United States: For the Second Session of the Fiftieth Congress and Special Session,” (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1889)
  6. Douglas Morgan, Adventism and the American Republic: The Public Involvement of a Major Apocalyptic Movement (University of Tennessee Press, 2001), 48
  7. The National Sunday Law, Argument of Alonzo T. Jones Before the United States Senate Committee on Education and Labor; at Washington, D.C., Dec. 13, 1888.” American Sentinel tract, 1892 (accessed December 14, 2015).
  8. Sydney E. Ahlstrom, A Religious History of the American People (Yale University Press, 2004), 387.
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  • Ricky Kearns

    Amen and Amen. This should go viral. Thanks for the wakeup call.

  • SurprisedByGrace

    The discussion of Ben’s beliefs has not taken on the dire feelings that is expressed here. Outside of the one article quoted, the issue of Carson’s faith beliefs has hardly registered in the media since Trump’s FL comments. The same thing happened with Mitt Romney. Lots of concern by the LDS Church that didn’t materialize so much, and in fact, the church took a positive spin on advertising “Who are your Mormon neighbors” with links to sites that the site would be more than happy to explain.

    Mr. Romney got the GOP presidential nod and he did make a statement about his faith, and how it would relate to his assuming the office of president if he was to receive the go ahead in the popular election. Outside of that there was little said in the media about his beliefs. It is highly unlikely that Carson will get the presidential nod by the GOP.

    The media, thankfully at this present moment, doesn’t see any advantage in going after someone’s religious beliefs, but rather let the candidate stand or fall on their record and experience in office, etc. The farther the populace moves from its religious base the less interested they are in a candidate’s religious views. The interest is in their abilities and so forth. A good thing, for it certainly shields the SDA Church from too much exposure of her, to some, alarming and even embarrassing “underbelly.”

  • Greg Bartlett

    Wasn’t unexpected for me at all

  • Greg Bartlett

    When evangelizing begins with a picture of a beast rather than Jesus , what do people expect from a secular world . When come out and be separate had been beat into people there afraid to speak of there faith to a neighbor because we may be contaminated . God forgive us it’s no wonder people don’t understand us or know anything about us

  • Article very well written!

  • Arabyski

    Me five years ago: don’t ask me about Adventism.
    Me today: everybody, do you know what the main story of the bible is? Genesis 3:15!

  • Evie Young

    We may never know what God has planned for Dr. Ben Carson, maybe he’s going to use him as He did Joseph is my feelings

  • leigh

    Seventh Day Adventist Church is asleep and I agree that we need a wake up call or maybe a blast might help. We are asleep!! It’s about time we started preaching some cutting edge messages. Time is so close, and we to adhere to what God is saying through
    Ellen White’s writings.

  • John

    I find it interesting that we have preached this stuff without ever really believing it. Obviously, by the alarm expressed here, we never belived it would really be heard by the public.

    I say we’ve never believed it because we keep Sunday in several Pacific Island nations where Adventists dispute locsl time. That dispute shows we are a law unto ourselves who dont recognize the sovereignty of nations.

    On the other hand I received an email from a trusted friend blatantly claiming that the pope has been asking Obama for Sunday laws the be established in USA.

    John Wallace
    NZ

  • Karl Lindsay

    Are you suggesting that you don’t think a Sunday law will garner enough interest for it to be passed in the 21st Century?

    There’s one coming, and it will be supported by the people out of fear.

  • Allen Nash

    It remains to be seen where Dr. Carson’s involvement will lead as it relates to the representation or misrepresentation of the SDA Church and the message it has for a world in need.

    It is clear that facts are generally irrelevant when it comes to promoting a political agenda. Reading the headlines, then reading the articles reveals agenda promotion in many cases, not truth seeking. This has been true of how many of the candidates have been treated. It doesn’t matter if the one being attacked is left or right, the opposing media appears to relish a good shall we say, “witch hunt”.

    What does this mean to us, SDA Believers? It suggests to me that each of us better be serious about knowing the themes of the Christian Scriptures, what the gospel means, where obedience fits in and what is the big picture in Daniel and Revelation?

    First off Revelation is declared to be a message to the SERVANTS of God. It is not a message to the rebellious of the world, the non professing. Do we need to identify each beast character as outlined in Revelation, listing each of ten points and then sharing our view to convince the observer of our conclusions?

    Promoting the reading of the Revelation of Jesus Christ will make it very clear, regardless of who anyone thinks the various beasts are, that WORSHIP is a key theme. Who is worth of our worship? The One Who Was, Is, Is to Come, the Creator, the Redeemer. Establish those facts and that narrows the field as to WHO is worthy of our worship.

    Angel messengers sent from the Throne of God REFUSE worship. Ultimately all who are before the Throne of God fall in worship. JESUS—the Lamb Who was slain is proclaimed in a loud voice to receive what is His already: 1. power, 2. Wealth, 3. Wisdom, 4. Strength, 5. Honor, 6. Glory, 7. Praise. It is a SEVEN Fold worship. It doesn’t get any better than that.

    And the Winner is—JESUS. The saved are those loyal to the Throne saved by the Blood of the Lamb and their testimony to that fact. The lost are those who continue in Rebellion IN SPITE of and in the face of Seven Plagues. Love has been rejected, and in a final act of mercy hardship is poured out and instead of turning to Heaven for the answer, Heaven is cursed.

    WE must know our salvation is based only on Jesus and loyal hearts desire to follow their leader. If for a moment our focus is on our performance we will be and likely are now most miserable and hard to get along with.

    WE must expect to be misrepresented in the public eye. It is the culture of the world. Read any opinion piece regarding politics and extreme emotions are hardly hidden. Mean, ugly words are standards.

    WE must know our Saviour Jesus the only Christ and what He has done for us or we will be blown away by the disapproval of the negative publicity that can be expected.

    AS in the days of Noah hard choices will have to be made. We can’t expect to be popular then and for the sake of those who are undecided how we articulate truth and our willingness to speak up in kindness may make the difference for them.

    We care very much for life on earth. We care very much for this planet. We must occupy until He comes. Let’s not get too comfortable in our occupation…

  • SurprisedByGrace

    At this point there is no interest in Sunday laws. Indeed, it could change, but it isn’t the case now.

  • Cutter

    Your statement:

    “A good thing, for it certainly shields the SDA Church from too much exposure of her, to some, alarming and even embarrassing “underbelly.” I would like to know more about this assumptions if they really exist, Let us be truthful about it and bring it out to be discussed in the open”,

  • SurprisedByGrace

    Can’t go wrong being truthful.

  • Deb_L

    I’ve watched several debates and Ben Carson is ever the gentleman, always calm, kind and refuses to put down the other candidates. His character shows exactly what kind of faith he has.

  • Tony Wood

    I appreciated very much the sentiments in the article expressing the discomfort of having a single individual be representative for the beliefs of the church I am associated with. This is especially the case when the “underbelly” is more vulnerable than we in the corporate sense would be willing to concede to. The explanation for that opinion is linked to the turnout of your homework in researching the Sunday law issues of the late 1880s and early 1890s. I have read articles in the past that really led one to understand that those issues must have been the most prominent dish on every American’s table at the time. But your conclusions seem to perhaps harmonize more with what some (myself included) see as the “deeper issues” in that time frame. In other words, is it appropriate to see that conditions that may become manifest with such as the Senator Blair issues, will only be as “retained and noticed” in proportion to how close we are to the drenching of the latter rain showers? It was in the era of 1890 that the pen of inspiration pointed out that “God has a controversy with his people.” (R&H 12/23/1890) The formulation of the clouds that carried this potential drenching were not welcomed and therefore there was no need for the heat from the breath of the dragon to be felt upon the populace. The stage was set for fire to rage from the nostrils of the dragon. But, those needed clouds dissipated. If we would be interested in resolving the issue God has with us we might well then witness the fruitage of a unified body and rather be bold (with all humility) in the exposure of our “underbelly!” The dragon knows this better than we and works to make sure that this particular controversy is kept to the archives. Nice article Jeffrey and nice response SurprisedByGrace.

  • SurprisedByGrace

    There indeed was discussion over the dinner tables of Americans over the issue of Sunday legislation, especially in states that were being more aggressive in applying their state statutes. But the Constitutional issues at the national level took over, especially as the jailings of transgressors of state laws were noted.

    Perhaps the dying down happened due to the closing up to receiving any rain from above.

  • John Carter

    Dr Ben Carson appears to have dropped the ball, so to speak.
    But it has given us, the Adventist people, an opportunity to tell a world about Adventistism. At least there is interest (even if that interest be curiosity) now.
    Prior,
    Let us consult with God and do His bidding in these end days.

  • Robert Cook

    A good response. I read the Blair-Jones debate in its full and it became apparent that Blair was a both fair and a good listener, and Jones was not simply defending the faith. I like the authors focus on the fundamental issue of religious liberty and the supporting quote from Blair-Jones with respect to enforcing Saturday instead of Sunday. That really gets to the issue.
    With respect to Carson – down under we get the regular news and as you say The Daily Beast makes a good launcher for the discussion, rather than it being representative of media focus. I have to say that I have been disappointed that the media has portrayed Carson as one friendly to Trump. But maybe that’s my non-American bias.
    Thank God for grace and the rest Jesus only gives. A rest that is far more than 17.28% of our time!
    Sabbath is great and I wish we shared it in terms of family, love and justice, the things Jesus was all about rather than which day makes God happy! If we saw Sabbath in terms of something bigger than a day we would have a Sabbath day to share.

  • SurprisedByGrace

    Thank you about my response. Yes, the Blair-Jones transcripts provide an excellent insight to the much broader issue at stake thank SDA’s being presumed upon. It is noteworthy to see Jones defending religious liberty for all and that enforcement of Saturday would be just as bad as Sunday. Too, exemptions were not the right way to go because our religious liberty is based upon fundamental rights out of the Constitution. An exemption is removing the right and replacing it with a benevolent tolerance by the majority. Not a healthy state.
    Carson is friendly to Trump because he is being politically correct not wanting to do any infighting with another GOP contender. Too, he may be looking for a cabinet position. Not sure.

    Sabbath is GREAT! I think of Adam and Eve and how they had not even worked six days before experiencing their first one. They exercised rest in the completed work of God of their existence. So it is with the recreation of humanity in Christ and resting in Him we too rest in God’s completed work in Christ. It is so much bigger than the common contrast between the seal and mark, or two days in contention over worship. We have so much more reason to observe Sabbath.

  • Darrell

    “But this could never happen in America, could it? The United States
    would never even come close to legislating religion, would it?

    Enter the winter of 1888.”

    Surely we can’t keep referring back 130+ years to support the SDA church’s believe of blue laws and laws enforcing Christian worship??

    The glaring truth is obvious. The United States of 2015 is considerably different than the United States of 1888.

    The US of 1888 was mostly a religious country where the lines of ‘church-state union’ were dancing cheek to cheek with each other. Christian spirituality was a mainstay of most households, public display and government policies. Such an environment was ripe for such a doomsday scenario as the SDA church promotes.

    Yet nothing happened.

    Nothing happened in for the next 100 years. Enter the 1980s where the Religious Right held vast political power in the US. Another time period ripe and ready for a forced Sunday worship. Sunday attendance was even a platform for most of the RR.

    Yet nothing happened.

    Enter 2015. Where Christianity is fast becoming a minority. Christianity is mocked and ridiculed in media, movies, music and special interest groups. Secularism is rampant and church going the lowest it’s ever been.

    Somehow we are to be convinced that such a doomsday scenario of forced Sunday worship is to be enacted in this environment?? And not just in the US but the WHOLE world? A world of atheism, Islam, Buddhism and countless other faiths?

    Surely we must take a step back and re-evaluate things.

  • Jpf

    You must not be paying attention. There is a lot of interest. The pope especially has it front and center in Laudatory Si, as well as references in the recent summit in Paris. He goes so far as to say the entire world needs to give the earth a day of rest; as well as many times bringing up civil authority and legislation to move things in that direction. There are counties in the U.S. that have passed Sunday legislation. How do I know? I was recently in Iowa and read an article about people building drains in their garage so they can wash their cars on Sunday without getting in trouble.

  • Scott Bennett

    Thanks Jeffrey! I thought for awhile I was the only one thinking what you just wrote. Now I know I’m not crazy, but I do fear for my fellow SDA’s who haven’t a clue what the Sabbath represents in prophecy. I just wish Ben were better able to express what you just wrote, but I’m still not sure he understands. Freedom of conscience! Beast vs Lamb! Kingdom of God vs Kingdoms of this world! “My ways are not your ways”. The Great Controversy over God’s character. Who will you believe when they are telling you about God’s character? The serpent in the garden or the brass serpent in the wilderness lifted up on a cross?

  • jameschenderson

    Jeff. Thank you for the article. You are right in that Carson’s candidacy is, whether he or the church likes it, making Adventistism a household word. What he personally believes will not seriously be charged to the church – no more that JFk’s personal beliefs were charged to the Catholic Church or Trump’s beliefs or lack thereof is being charged to the Presbytarian church. As a member of the church you cannot objectively weigh this issue. Trump’s mocking of Adventism was more than outweighed by Glenn Beck’s half hour of programming in November that explored Adventism in a very favorable light – he even had one of the Vice Presidents of the General Conference call in and share with his audience what Adventists believe

    Consider Carson’s candidacy as a divine intervention in world affairs as Paul suggests in Romans : God will cut short the work in righteousness. God can use this unprecedented publicly attending Carson’s candidacy to spring-board the church into the final appeal to the world to accept Christ as their Savior before earth’s probation closes. This is the message of Revelation 18 and these are our marching orders. Christ will come when the church is filled with Holy Spirit power and it completes the Gospel commission. Now is our opportunity, let us grasp it.

    We should not take this opportunity to ask the church to clarify what it is saying to the world. That is not the role of the church. The priesthood has been given to ALL believers through the ministration of the church. God’s Spirit is promised to each one of us to guide us in all truth. The onous is upon each one of us to bring our lives into harmony with the Sprit and hone our knowledge of the Scriptures to be effective witnesses. That is the true wake up call in light of the opportunity Carson’s candidacy is giving us.

    Whether Carson becomes president or not, is not relevant. God is using him to give us an introduction to the world – moving us from obscurity to center stage. God is using Carson as he did Daniel in Babylon and Joseph in Egypt. In both cases there was and will be opposition to the law of God. Obedience to God’s law is the final issue mankind will face – the Sabbath is merely a signet for identifying the true Lawgiver from the great Rebel and the true followers of the Creator from the false Christians in the very end of days. For believe me, the entire world will profess a form of Christianity when Lucifer impersonates Chirst in the last days and endorses the change of Sabbath to Sunday.

    You gain nothing by boasting that you are not a supporter of Carson. You can gain everything by taking advantage of the opportunity for personal witnessing and evangelism that God is giving you through Carson.

    Maranather, your brother in Christ, jim.

  • Well this is what we get for becoming involved in POLITICS when we were given so many warnings against doing do in the Spirit of Prophecy Writings. Ellen White told us that there would be “harm and only harm” if we do that. She also said that we must be VERY careful not to say anything that could be taken as antagonistic to Law and Order or to the Government. Ben Carson has been attacking left and right. Ellen White said that anything they say against the Government would be charged to the whole body of Believers. Thanks a lot, Ben!

  • SurprisedByGrace

    I think I am paying attention very well. I know of the Pope’s recent referral in his encyclical on climate change. Do you have links for the things said in Paris and for your Iowa comment? Do you have other references to the “many counties” passing Sunday laws?

  • Encourehonoree

    Thank you for this article. This is what is needed in a time like now………..

  • Following Dr. Carson’s involvement in the presidential campaign I read a lot of SDA comparing him to Joseph and Daniel. Certainly he appears meeker, not willing to “bite back” his opponents they way it’s typically done in politics. Following the debates he seems to have also fallen for the “if I were the president…” Once a person gets involved into a political game he/she starts to follow the mentality of “I am better than you” because thus trying to gain political points with potential voters. Let us consider Jesus our example.

    He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6 (KJV) The Bible tells us that Jesus is not only our savior but our example also. (see Matthew 16:24; John 13:13-16; 1 Corinthians 11:1; 1 Peter 2:20-22) Instead of wandering what would Jesus do we should consider study what did Jesus do. When Pilate questions Jesus claim to the kingly throne Jesus replayed: “My kingdom is not of this world…” (John 18:36) It wouldn’t have been hard to Jesus to have fallen for the notion of popularity, after feeding of the masses, and allow the masses to crow Him Israel’s’ king but instead he dismissed the idea went away. Christ mission was to reveal the Father’s character, pay the penalty for sin, answer Satan’s charges that God would never humble himself and impossibility of keeping God’s law by humanity, as well as give us example and power in order to live in harmony with God’s will as revealed in His law.

    The feeding of the masses was only one ot the many opportunities Jesus had to become the monarch on David’s throne. Another great opportunity was His triumphal entry to Jerusalem. “And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. (Matthew 21:9) In The Desire of Ages we read:

    “…The priests and rulers had heard the prophetic voice of the past echoed by the multitude, in answer to the question, “Who is this?” but they did not accept it as the voice of Inspiration. In anger and amazement they tried to silence the people. There were Roman officers in the throng, and to them His enemies denounced Jesus as the leader of a rebellion. They represented that He was about to take possession of the temple, and reign as king in Jerusalem. {DA 580.3} But the calm voice of Jesus hushed for a moment the clamorous throng as He again declared that He had not come to establish a temporal rule; He should soon ascend to His Father, and His accusers would see Him no more until He should come again in glory. Then, too late for their salvation, they would acknowledge Him. These words Jesus spoke with sadness and with singular power. The Roman officers were silenced and subdued. Their hearts, though strangers to divine influence, were moved as they had never been moved before. In the calm, solemn face of Jesus they read love, benevolence, and quiet dignity. They were stirred by a sympathy they could not understand. Instead of arresting Jesus, they were more inclined to pay Him homage. Turning upon the priests and rulers, they charged them with creating the disturbance. These leaders, chagrined and defeated, turned to the people with their complaints, and disputed angrily among themselves.” (The Desire of Ages p. 581.1)

    Through inspired Apostle Paul we have an important admonition in regards to our relation to things on earth. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12). The reason we should not be involved in a political war is because the war is spiritual and we would be wasting time trying to correct the behaviour while the problem lays in the hearth. Policy can never change the hearth. Only by submitting to Jesus and through His spirit the change can be wrought. In conversation with many SDAs I find a confusion about our involvement in military and politics. The Bible is clear the the temporal power is ordained of God. For example king Cyrus was called God’s anointed and was raised for a specific role in Israel’s restoration to their land. King Nebuchadnezzar was used to punish rebellious Judah. Both of this kings were permitted to come to the scene of earthly greatness but their success was depended upon the condition of recognizing that God “removeth kings, and setteth up kings” and “that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will…” (Daniel 2:21; 4:17). Neither of the two came from amongst God’s people and God was desiring that they should acknowledge Him whose they were by creation and redemption (“the lamb slain from the foundation of the world” Revelation 13:8).

    Some say “are you saying the we should have temporal rulers, military and police since you don’t think SDA should be involved in it.” I believe as Romans (Romans 13:1-7) states that we are to “…be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” This however does not mean that the political power has no obligation and responsibility towards God and can do whatever it pleases. We are to obey human authority as long as it doesn’t contradict the Word of God as stated by Jesus and apostle Peter: “…Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s…,” “We ought to obey God rather than men.” (Mark 12:17; Acts 5:29). Our mission is the salvation of people and not policy (politics). We are not dealing with merely physical but spiritual matters. One occupying the position of the president, as chief and commander of the military, will be responsible for “pulling the trigger” when it comes to military interventions. Jesus came to promote life not to kill (John 10:10). You may wonder “what about those terrorist that are killing people… would you just ignore it since we are not supposed to be involved in military actions?” The problem is that political involvement trys to solve the problem of sin without acknowledging God or submitting to His will and letting Him deal with it. The problems of conflict and terrorism will only be solved by Jesus coming to this earth and cleansing it from sin and sinners. THat’s why I believe we should be involved in salvation of souls rather than trying to solve spiritual problems through politics. It is not our role in this world to be involved in politics but in God’s mission of salvation. Consider the following counsel from SOP when it comes to politics:

    The Lord desires all who bear the message for these last days to understand that there is a great difference between professors of religion who are not doers of the word, and the children of God, who are sanctified through the truth, who have that faith that works by love and purifies the soul. The Lord speaks of those who claim to believe the truth for this time, yet see nothing inconsistent in their taking part in politics, mingling with the contending elements of these last days, as the circumcised who mingle with the uncircumcised, and He declares that He will destroy both classes together without distinction. They are doing a work that God has not set them to do. They dishonor God by their party spirit and contention, and He will condemn both alike. – {FE 482.1}

    In the name of the Lord I would say to the teachers in our schools, Attend to your appointed work. You are not called upon by God to engage in politics… {FE 477.2}

    Those teachers in the church or in the school who distinguish themselves by their zeal in politics, should be relieved of their work and responsibilities without delay; for the Lord will not co-operate with them. The tithe should not be used to pay any one for speechifying on political questions. Every teacher, minister, or leader in our ranks who is stirred with a desire to ventilate his opinions on political questions, should be converted by a belief in the truth, or give up his work. His influence must tell as a laborer together with God in winning souls to Christ, or his credentials must be taken from him. If he does not change, he will do harm, and only harm. – {FE 477.1}

    There is a large vineyard to be cultivated; but while Christians are to work among unbelievers, they are not to appear like worldlings. They are not to spend their time talking politics or acting politics; for by so doing they give the enemy opportunity to come in and cause variance and discord. – {CCh 316.5}

    God’s children are to separate themselves from politics, from any alliance with unbelievers. Do not take part in political strife. Separate from the world, and refrain from bringing into the church or school ideas that will lead to contention and disorder. Dissension is the moral poison taken into the system by human beings who are selfish. [570] – {CCh 316.6}

    The Lord would have His people bury political questions. On these themes silence is eloquence. Christ calls upon His followers to come into unity on the pure gospel principles which are plainly revealed in the word of God. We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political scheme. – {CCh 316.2}

    Those who are Christians indeed will be branches of the true vine, and will bear the same fruit as the vine. They will act in harmony, in Christian fellowship. They will not wear political badges, but the badge of Christ. – {CCh 316.3}

    None of us liveth to himself.” [Romans 14:7.] Let those who are tempted to take part in politics, remember that every move they make has its influence upon others. When ministers or others in responsible positions make remarks in regard to these matters, they cannot gather up the thoughts they have planted in human minds. Under Satan’s temptations they have set in operation a train of circumstances leading to results of which they little dream. An act, a word, a thought, cast into the minds of the great concourse of humanity, if it bears the heavenly endorsement, will yield a harvest of precious fruit; but if it is inspired by Satan, it will cause the root of bitterness to spring up, whereby many will be defiled. Then let the stewards of God’s grace in any line of service, beware how they mingle the common with the sacred. – {GW 396.1}

    Again and again Christ had been asked to decide legal and political questions; but He refused to interfere in temporal matters…. He stood in our world as the Head of the great spiritual kingdom that He came to our world to establish,—the kingdom of righteousness. His teaching made plain the ennobling, sanctifying principles that govern this kingdom. He showed that justice and mercy and love are the controlling powers in Jehovah’s kingdom.—Testimonies for the Church 9:218. – {GW 396.2}

    Pray for Dr. Carson and those of us who disregard God’s revealed will in the realm of politics. May we be found faithful!

  • Following Dr. Carson’s involvement in the presidential campaign I read a lot of SDA comparing him to Joseph and Daniel. Certainly he appears meeker, not willing to “bite back” his opponents they way it’s typically done in politics. Following the debates, he seems to have also fallen for the “if I were the president, I would…” notion instead of glorifying God. Once a person gets involved into a political game he/she starts to follow the mentality of “I am better than you” because thus trying to gain political points with potential voters. Let us consider Jesus our example.

    He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6 (KJV) The Bible tells us that Jesus is not only our savior but our example also. (see Matthew 16:24; John 13:13-16; 1 Corinthians 11:1; 1 Peter 2:20-22) Instead of wandering what would Jesus do we should consider study what did Jesus do. When Pilate questions Jesus claim to the kingly throne Jesus replayed: “My kingdom is not of this world…” (John 18:36) It wouldn’t have been hard to Jesus to have fallen for the notion of popularity, after feeding of the masses, and allow the masses to crow Him Israel’s’ king but instead he dismissed the idea went away. Christ mission was to reveal the Father’s character, pay the penalty for sin, answer Satan’s charges that God would never humble himself and impossibility of keeping God’s law by humanity, as well as give us example and power in order to live in harmony with God’s will as revealed in His law.

    The feeding of the masses was only one ot the many opportunities Jesus had to become the monarch on David’s throne. Another great opportunity was His triumphal entry to Jerusalem. “And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. (Matthew 21:9) In The Desire of Ages we read:

    “…The priests and rulers had heard the prophetic voice of the past echoed by the multitude, in answer to the question, “Who is this?” but they did not accept it as the voice of Inspiration. In anger and amazement they tried to silence the people. There were Roman officers in the throng, and to them His enemies denounced Jesus as the leader of a rebellion. They represented that He was about to take possession of the temple, and reign as king in Jerusalem. {DA 580.3} But the calm voice of Jesus hushed for a moment the clamorous throng as He again declared that He had not come to establish a temporal rule; He should soon ascend to His Father, and His accusers would see Him no more until He should come again in glory. Then, too late for their salvation, they would acknowledge Him. These words Jesus spoke with sadness and with singular power. The Roman officers were silenced and subdued. Their hearts, though strangers to divine influence, were moved as they had never been moved before. In the calm, solemn face of Jesus they read love, benevolence, and quiet dignity. They were stirred by a sympathy they could not understand. Instead of arresting Jesus, they were more inclined to pay Him homage. Turning upon the priests and rulers, they charged them with creating the disturbance. These leaders, chagrined and defeated, turned to the people with their complaints, and disputed angrily among themselves.” (The Desire of Ages p. 581.1)
    Through inspired Apostle Paul we have an important admonition in regards to our relation to things on earth. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12). The reason we should not be involved in a political war is because the war is spiritual and we would be wasting time trying to correct the behaviour while the problem lays in the hearth. Policy can never change the hearth. Only by submitting to Jesus and through His spirit the change can be wrought. In conversation with many SDAs I find a confusion about our involvement in military and politics. The Bible is clear the the temporal power is ordained of God. For example king Cyrus was called God’s anointed and was raised for a specific role in Israel’s restoration to their land. King Nebuchadnezzar was used to punish rebellious Judah. Both of this kings were permitted to come to the scene of earthly greatness but their success was depended upon the condition of recognizing that God “removeth kings, and setteth up kings” and “that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will…” (Daniel 2:21; 4:17). Neither of the two came from amongst God’s people and God was desiring that they should acknowledge Him whose they were by creation and redemption (“the lamb slain from the foundation of the world” Revelation 13:8).

    Some say “are you saying the we should have temporal rulers, military and police since you don’t think SDA should be involved in it.” I believe as Romans (Romans 13:1-7) states that we are to “…be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” This however does not mean that the political power has no obligation and responsibility towards God and can do whatever it pleases. We are to obey human authority as long as it doesn’t contradict the Word of God as stated by Jesus and apostle Peter: “…Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s…,” “We ought to obey God rather than men.” (Mark 12:17; Acts 5:29). Our mission is the salvation of people and not policy (politics). We are not dealing with merely physical but spiritual matters. One occupying the position of the president, as chief and commander of the military, will be responsible for “pulling the trigger” when it comes to military interventions. Jesus came to promote life not to kill (John 10:10). You may wonder “what about those terrorist that are killing people… would you just ignore it since we are not supposed to be involved in military actions?” The problem is that political involvement trys to solve the problem of sin without acknowledging God or submitting to His will and letting Him deal with it. The problems of conflict and terrorism will only be solved by Jesus coming to this earth and cleansing it from sin and sinners. THat’s why I believe we should be involved in salvation of souls rather than trying to solve spiritual problems through politics. It is not our role in this world to be involved in politics but in God’s mission of salvation. Consider the following counsel from SOP when it comes to politics:

    The Lord desires all who bear the message for these last days to understand that there is a great difference between professors of religion who are not doers of the word, and the children of God, who are sanctified through the truth, who have that faith that works by love and purifies the soul. The Lord speaks of those who claim to believe the truth for this time, yet see nothing inconsistent in their taking part in politics, mingling with the contending elements of these last days, as the circumcised who mingle with the uncircumcised, and He declares that He will destroy both classes together without distinction. They are doing a work that God has not set them to do. They dishonor God by their party spirit and contention, and He will condemn both alike. – {FE 482.1}

    In the name of the Lord I would say to the teachers in our schools, Attend to your appointed work. You are not called upon by God to engage in politics… {FE 477.2}

    Those teachers in the church or in the school who distinguish themselves by their zeal in politics, should be relieved of their work and responsibilities without delay; for the Lord will not co-operate with them. The tithe should not be used to pay any one for speechifying on political questions. Every teacher, minister, or leader in our ranks who is stirred with a desire to ventilate his opinions on political questions, should be converted by a belief in the truth, or give up his work. His influence must tell as a laborer together with God in winning souls to Christ, or his credentials must be taken from him. If he does not change, he will do harm, and only harm. – {FE 477.1}

    There is a large vineyard to be cultivated; but while Christians are to work among unbelievers, they are not to appear like worldlings. They are not to spend their time talking politics or acting politics; for by so doing they give the enemy opportunity to come in and cause variance and discord. – {CCh 316.5}

    God’s children are to separate themselves from politics, from any alliance with unbelievers. Do not take part in political strife. Separate from the world, and refrain from bringing into the church or school ideas that will lead to contention and disorder. Dissension is the moral poison taken into the system by human beings who are selfish. [570] – {CCh 316.6}

    The Lord would have His people bury political questions. On these themes silence is eloquence. Christ calls upon His followers to come into unity on the pure gospel principles which are plainly revealed in the word of God. We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political scheme. – {CCh 316.2}

    Those who are Christians indeed will be branches of the true vine, and will bear the same fruit as the vine. They will act in harmony, in Christian fellowship. They will not wear political badges, but the badge of Christ. – {CCh 316.3}

    None of us liveth to himself.” [Romans 14:7.] Let those who are tempted to take part in politics, remember that every move they make has its influence upon others. When ministers or others in responsible positions make remarks in regard to these matters, they cannot gather up the thoughts they have planted in human minds. Under Satan’s temptations they have set in operation a train of circumstances leading to results of which they little dream. An act, a word, a thought, cast into the minds of the great concourse of humanity, if it bears the heavenly endorsement, will yield a harvest of precious fruit; but if it is inspired by Satan, it will cause the root of bitterness to spring up, whereby many will be defiled. Then let the stewards of God’s grace in any line of service, beware how they mingle the common with the sacred. – {GW 396.1}

    Again and again Christ had been asked to decide legal and political questions; but He refused to interfere in temporal matters…. He stood in our world as the Head of the great spiritual kingdom that He came to our world to establish,—the kingdom of righteousness. His teaching made plain the ennobling, sanctifying principles that govern this kingdom. He showed that justice and mercy and love are the controlling powers in Jehovah’s kingdom.—Testimonies for the Church 9:218. – {GW 396.2}

    Pray for Dr. Carson and those of us who disregard God’s revealed will in the realm of politics. May we be found faithful!

  • djwillingvessel

    This came at the right time. Thanks for writing this article and letting God use you!!!

  • Linda Caldwell

    I get emails from a Presbyterian publisher. The titles of their publications sound like they could be SDA. Without looking on my email to verify, I believe the publishing house is called, Still Waters Publishing for anyone interested. If Ben Carson again moves up in the polls and if his religion is questioned again by Donald Trump, he (Donald Trump) may have some explaining to do. I for one have been pleasantly surprised by what the Presbyterians believe, so very similarly to SDAs on the very topics listed here in this article and what I have found through these publications, they are far more vocal than SDAs, and they are still strong voices for reform! I am getting emails from them since I ordered a book from a Presbyterian publisher to get the writings and teachings of John Knox. I truly admire the little I know about the Presbyterian religion. I would not be surprised if many of them observe the Sabbath today judging from what they apparently teach. SDAs will not be alone when persecution comes.

  • Terry Whitted

    Sunday laws have been sustained by the courts nationally for years. We are now living in the last days.

  • Terry Whitted

    Dr. Carson was leading in the polls until he commented about the Rapture and his belief that there was no such thing as the Secret Rapture. Dr. Ben tells it like it is and does not care if he offends or chases off those who believe differently. He is very much opposed to being Politically Correct. But – if he wants to become President …. he is going to need to learn how to limit sharing of such issues that do not have anything to do with him being the POTUS.

  • Terry Whitted

    “Many a lad of today, growing up as did Daniel
    in his Judean home, studying God’s Word and His works, and learning the lessons of faithful service, will yet stand in legislative assemblies, in halls of justice, or in royal courts, as a witness for the King of kings.” EGW in Education page 262

    “Have you thoughts that you dare not express,
    that you may one day . . . sit in deliberative and legislative councils, and help to enact laws for the nation? There is nothing wrong in these aspirations.”–Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 82.
    “We have no more strength and grace given us than we can wisely appropriate. If God has a work for any of His commandment-keeping people to do in regard to politics, reach the position and do the work with your arm linked in the arm of Christ. The salvation of your souls should be your greatest study.” EGW in —Letter 4, 1898, p. 13

  • Barry Gowland

    “Still Waters Publishing”…….sounds very much like “Still Waters Revival” that I heard of in the UK not so many years ago.

  • SurprisedByGrace

    They have been toppling for years, Terry, in America. Most of the so called “blue laws” involve the time for which alcohol cannot be purchased. Those restrictions have mostly come down in recent years. The state I live in dropped theirs about three years ago.

    I maybe you are thinking of the 1962 Supreme Court decision saying that Sunday laws are Constitutional so long as they are promoting general welfare of a population. But since that ruling state and local laws have gone by the wayside, thought there are still a number of them in place.

    I was in Indiana about four years ago and made a fuel stop. In going into the convenience store to get a bottle of water another customer came in behind me looking to get some beer. The beer door was locked and he was told as to why. He left a bit frustrated heading to Ohio where I believe he could obtain his beverage of choice on Sunday.

    Currently there isn’t any widespread interest in having Sunday legislation imposed. In fact, many laws linger but aren’t enforced or even thought about. A time will come when that changes, but it isn’t the case now.

  • Terry Whitted

    I agree that in this day and age there is little interest for enforcement. But still it is the law of the land that these laws are indeed constitutional.

  • SurprisedByGrace

    Well, law of a state or certain locale within a state, but they are diminishing, being over turned in many places mostly for business considerations (especially the alcohol related ones).

  • Terry Whitted

    I think the point is – the laws are upheld nationally IF they are desired locally.

  • Terry Whitted

    It’s looking more and more like Dr. Ben is doing more to spread the Third Angels Message than all of our evangelistic meetings combined.

  • Marcellus Conner

    Why, I might ask, is the author ‘freaked out’ by the perception the public may form through the reading of a simple article? Don’t Adventists want their message spread to ‘every nation’? Maybe if the church were doing its job, God wouldn’t need to allow bad press to kick start inquiry into the truth of the church’s message. Remember that “we can do nothing against the truth, but only for the truth”. 2 Corinthians 13:8
    If The Daily Beast’s article leads people to inquire into the message then so much the better I say. Again I ask, why the fear? “The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice…” Phillipians 1:18
    Paul the Evangelist didn’t care whether the press was good or bad, but that the message was getting out. Should we feel differently? The only ‘underbelly’ we should be afraid to have exposed is that of the insipid, legalistic, graceless, lukewarm, but hotly Pharisaical faith of the average modern member of the SDA Church. Our message, whether presented in a good light or bad, will never turn away honest seekers after truth. I only wish I could say the same for our membership.

  • John Carter

    If he stops book signing on Sabbath and stops attending church on Sunday…then maybe…just maybe God can use Dr Ben

  • John Carter

    I really think that was God’s purpose for Dr Ben… and if he could stay true to the 3 angels message then maybe….just maybe there was a leadership role for him… alas like Moses who struck the rock 2 times (and not once as commanded and subsequently did not go through to the promise land) I feel Dr Ben, has also hit a wall. He should have kept the Sabbath Holy.

  • John Carter

    Very specious indeed…. I mean how could one argue with such reasoning right?
    Somehow, you have missed the spiritual revival that is coming to a country near you!
    You may have seen those fundamental muslims, what do you call them? oh yeah ISIS. Then you may have seen the Pope rallying crowds all around the world, including, wait for it… In the USA…and he was given the privilege to address the congress….oh and you don’t need to be religious to embrace a “family day” (no prize if you can guess which day of the week the pope is proposing for family day) because a family day will have reduce so much carbon emission to “save the world”.
    There is so much happening right now and in the last few years that I could keep typing for a very long time…..
    Better have some LSD (that would be Latte Soy Dandelion) 😉 smell the roses and you might just see that the sure word of prophecy is indeed sure.

  • Terry Whitted

    I refuse to judge him on the Sabbath issue. We might be persuaded differently if we were to ask him personally about it. I think he really feels God has called him to do what he has done on Sabbath. Could he be wrong? Yes. But he has good intentions behind it.

  • markgiambrone

    So far you got only one like . a representation of the church ? .
    How many people are sipping of the wine of Babylon and do not realize it ? Great Post Jim.

  • Kathy

    First I comment on these comments.
    Recently I’ve been reading many comments on many different interviews, articles, etc. from many different media sources : they are mainly extremely biased, primitive, malevolent, personal, attacking, vulgar, rude; horrible to read.
    The comments here are the opposite : everybody put down his or her different, sometimes opposite view respectfully, intelligently, reasoning without personal attacks, with the obvious common goal to promote, build up and not tear down the case of our church. I am so proud (in the good sense!) of all of you, and to be a member of such a good, smart company.
    And I am proud to see how Ben Carson represents our faith in the exact same manner in every step of the way.
    I wish these comments, together with the article itself, would go viral to let the world see how to expand and discuss things in God-fearing, loving manner.

    I find the article extremely good and a very suitable reaction to the media, and 100% agree with the whole argument, but in the introduction have a different view on a few things :
    I fully support Ben as a candidate. I’m sure it was God’s plan for him to run for presidency, at least that’s what Ben says, and he is honest, wise and sober, not just imagining things. If God wants him as president, he will be, and how I see and hope, it could postpone the time for the outgoing of the National Sunday Law, and we as a church still have a little more time to spread the three angels message. – If not, he already fulfilled other purposes. He showed how the man of God can stand in stressful times maintaining his dignity; and because of Ben turning the light on the SDA Church, the world could be aware of the whole biblical truth through this movement’s pillars of faith. That’s why, as Jeffrey says, is very important, what and how we tell it to the world!

    The other difference is I am not “uncomfortable” and not “freaking out” of how Ben’s views represent the SDA Church. On the contrary. Until now as far as I am concerned Ben did not say anything against what the Bible plainly commands to do or not to do, and what we consider as our pillars of faith. But what God leaves to the conscience no church or man allowed to force onto the individual. And this way also stands our church as representative of religious liberty for the individual as well, and WITHIN the church. (See AT Jones: “Individuality in Religion”, chapter: “As Related to the Church Itself “)

    My two wishes:
    – First for the article and the related comments to go public, outside of Light Bearers site as well; in my opinion it is very important!
    – Secondly, I would like to write an additional article to the same topic, but from a religious point of view. Let me explain. The article is a straightforward correction of what the media claimed, showing Saturday and Sunday as signs of religious liberty and the lack of it, respectively.
    In this way the whole question remains a civil question, and it is in harmony with the Constitution. (Although related to religious liberty, but of course the Constitution is completely based on “religious”, biblical principles.)

    I never heard of this argument attributing these signs to the two days, but endorsed it right away, because it is true and enlightening.

    What I would like to do is to use the present attention, severe the whole issue from the civil arena, and show from purely religious perspective the other signs these two days represent according to the Bible.
    Namely the seventh day or the Sabbath is a sign that God is our Creator. – Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11
    It is a sign that God is our Savior and Redeemer and Sanctifier. – Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12, 20; Hebrews chapter 4.

    We keep it as a sign of our faith in Him and in His creative and redeeming power and we except by faith and freely enjoy in what He did for us at creation, in His sinless life and at the cross. – Hebrews 3:18,19; 4:1-7
    Of course I would add more bible references and a few remarks.

    I hope Jeffrey that you would read my comment and agree with one of my following ideas how I could do that :
    – You upload your article, I upload mine giving the link to your uploaded article.
    – Your article remain solely on this site and I would refer to it here.

    Thank you and God bless you all! Kathy

  • Terry Whitted

    Excellent post. Thank you. I find that many in the world are trying extremely hard to tear down Dr. Carson. When the candidate that they need to tear down is the Republican who is tearing down so many American citizens. I’ll let you figure out which candidate that is.

  • I find it interesting they deleted MY comment here, but kept yours. That pretty much tells me all I need to know. Obviously a Liberal Agenda going on here.

  • Terry Whitted

    Quotes from our prophet ….. are not generally considered to be a ‘Liberal Agenda’. 😉

  • Hubert Namani

    Amen and Greetings from Papua New Guinea. We are certainly in the end times.

  • Teeninchee

    Robert, as we saw it play out, Carson IS friendly to Trump–which surprised many in the US. To others who were watching and listening, the “friendliness” was obvious. 🙁 Fortunately, GOD is my spokesperson–not any political candidate.

    Thanks for your keen observation, Jeffrey! ON POINT 100%, IMHO.

  • Teeninchee

    We might want to start with adhering to what God is saying through the Bible. The focus cannot be shifted from the Bible as our sole rule of faith. Ever.

  • Christopher Kanas

    I would say, given the recent election, that when push come to shove, Americans by and large protect the liberty of conscience. Trump won largely because of the Left’s incessant “shaming” of anyone who did not seem to support their ideology. And everyday Americans were shouted down to an essential “gag order” until they got to the voting booth and exercised their rights.
    The reason that was important is because should there ever be a “Sunday Law”, that again would be seen as going against the liberty of conscience and the more multicultural the country gets, the less that is going to happen. In fact, honestly, I don’t see it happening at all with the caveat of some unforeseeable future event forcing people to homogenize for safety reasons.
    If the Adventist message is true, then it should absolutely be exposed for what it says. Hiding anything, anything at all, is sure means of being considered deceptive. So I hope it all comes out, it has too, if we are going to say we are Adventists, then you must be willing to stand by the message.

  • Stanley

    It is absolutely true that Sunday will be proclaimed as the day of worship instead of Saturday, the Sabbath day recognized by the bible (exodus 20: 1-8, Genesis 2: 2,3). That will be happening after the US Government and Rome work together to make if official (Revelations 13: 1-8). Revelations chapter 13 explains everything. This is not fable. It is absolutely true because the bible cannot lie.

  • John Herscher

    IMHO God raised up Ester to be a light and an instrument in God’s hands. What is Dr. Carson doing now? Dr. Ben Carson sailed smoothly through his confirmation hearing to become Secretary of Housing and Urban Development before the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs on Thursday. I hope you all have read his book. God may have put him in a place such as this. We are in end times. The Isrealites were in end times, when God put Ester in a place of influence. May I remind you we are to stand back and let the Holy Spirit do His work. That means to keep judgement to ourselves. God looketh on the heart, man looketh on outward countenance. 1 Samuel 16:7. If we look to outward countenance’s we get ourselves into trouble, such as leaving our church for another. We need to look unto Jesus, sinless is He, Father impute His life unto me. My life a scarlet, my sin and woe. Cover with His life whiter than snow, yes now whiter than snow. Another example of the Holy Spirit working behind the scenes.

  • YIKES

    I get that almost every Adventist is going to feel uncomfortable with scrutiny and skepticism. I don’t know anybody who wishes to be opposed or ridiculed. But sooner or later, we have to settle in our hearts that it will come down to that. YES, the traditional Adventist message will be openly ridiculed, much more than it has been today. People will laugh, and scoff, and be disgusted by people who believe in it. Every effort will be made within the church and without to reimagine what it is really saying–making it all conditional, or open to new interpretations. Anything to get it to change and be something else than what it is. The real question is whether you will allow embarrassment and non-acceptance to change the original message as given into something more… comfortable.

  • clemans

    I stopped reading when it got to TEA. That wasn’t why the people ended up fighting the war, it was far more complicated and was really about the colonists not wanting to pay higher taxes to help pay for endless wars with Spain or France. They wanted no taxation without representation in how the taxes were collected, what products, and how much money. It wasn’t tea, but everything. Tea just happened to be on the ship in the harbor, making it easy to dump.

    Every religion should teach its members to grill their own beliefs. If they are confident in those beliefs there is no reason to want people to not turn over every stone in the path. If eternal life is at stake, people ought to make sure they really believe in something worth while. In the case of Christianity, Jesus was no weak leader, not threatened by death, a few tough questions wouldn’t have made him weak-kneed.

  • Kyle

    That’s the point he is getting at… That it wasn’t about tea. He’s saying that people try to minimize the real cause of the problems, and that’s what people were doing with the Adventist belief system revolving about Sabbath and Sunday, they called it a small hook because they didn’t see the grand scheme of the great controversy.

  • clemans

    I guess it is my bias against make believe things that give people the idea that they should stake their lives on those beliefs.Religion takes advantage of unethical behavior and uses it to the max.

  • you should have finished it because that’s what he says.

  • Ron Nielsen

    I am very saddened to say that the Adventist church appears to be in the process of abandoning its stand on freedom of conscience over the issue of Women’s ordination. As well as, in my opinion, their commitment to following Jesus and present truth.

  • James Sutton

    I’m from Australia but I know Ben Carson. I was on his team for president of U S A. I only played a minor roll. Ben Carson never said people had to become S D A’s if he was elected PO T U S. He made quite clear that he was asking people to vote for him as commander and chief. While the doctrines of the SDA church are interesting he was not asking people to vote him as president of the SDA church.